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What an interesting excursion just to read these comments. 2023 New Amsterdam Spirits Company, Modesto, CA. (One of two favorites, along with marguerita) You hardly need to add lemon juice. Cheers! I am saving up for Gordons or better, Obviously, this gin is not top-tier. My daughter found this when we in the third and last week of our holiday in Florida. The entire debate seems to focus on style. Have tried all the gins, and of course, some are spectacular, but none do the trick day in and day out like New Amsterdam. Being mainly a gin drinker and really liked the flavor and smoothness. Right off the bat Ill just say I prefer the London Dry Gin styles (like Bombay, Hendricks, Beefeaters, etc.) He opened a distillery in the Southwark area in 1769 . No nose, hardly any flavor. While the actual steps to producing gin are fairly similar to any other liquor being distilled, there are a few key differences when it comes to making this spirit. In the United States, gin is a distilled alcohol that must be no less than 80 proof (40% alcohol) and have the distinct flavor of juniper berries.. Anyway, honeyed citrus salad, fresh lemon, and a clean, crisp finish. Move ahead fifteen years and I am now a confirmed G&T devotee. I agree. Its too weak in cocktails (even in a gin and tonic the tonic overpowers it) and even though it has a juniper smell it doesnt show up in the taste at all. In a further procedure, botanicals along with water are added until the desired flavors are met. 485 Gin, I think it makes a great martini, just a couple drops of vermouth. At 47% it is aimed more at bartenders and cocktail-creators. It doesnt actually taste foul. Gin does not have to be cask-aged, but doing so can bring new and unexpected flavors to it. These two come as no surprise, as most gins will contain such botanicals, but Gordons manages to do it in a fantastic way. Vivid bitter orange rind, with an unctuous, deep zestiness. After I came home I checked this website. In the summer I drink gin martinis (toonies); in the cold months, I drink bourbon or scotch. People who said they spewed it the moment it touched their lips are being pretty dramatic. Far better than flavored vodka. For the money and if youre new to gins, this is a good one. That may be true only of the berries of certain species, however. Im going to put some of the New Amsterdam in a container and drop in a few juniper berries from the yard. What gin does not have juniper berries? Japanese spirits are quickly becoming a mainstay in North American drinking culture. Diane. Drinkable, but the gin isnt doing much for it. Theres a couple of big differences. Yeah, its not good. The spirits company produces two gins, WildBark and WildJune, which are both distilled from rye and malted barley and infused with juniper berries native to the Davis Mountains. Herbs & Roots. Just yech. Its simple and a little tangy also at a very reasonable price. Yes. Citrus. Well I read all the reviews starting in 2012 and moved on to 2015. Unfortunately, when you try something different, it falls way short. Sat back, took a sip and spit ip out. At 19.99$ decided to give it a try. Thanks for the reviews and ideas on this blog. it is that good. Bartenders mixing with New Amsterdam Stratusphere Gin should keep in mind it has a very-citrus forward contemporary flavor and despite the moniker London Dry on the bottle it should not be regarded as a 1:1 substitute for juniper forward classic gins like Gordons. I visited my cousin again this Summer and the Cucumber Martini was once again revived. (Bobyoure right about Gordons. The discussion aroundNew Amsterdam Gin on the internet seems to be alike gin snobs dont like it because of its citrus-forward approach. http://ryanandwood.com/products.html. OK, orangey it is for sure. More recently, it has appeared in West Texas, where the berries have their roots. Explore more elevated cocktails with the distinct flavors of Stratusphere London Dry Gin. You get what you pay for, and this is by far the worst gin Ive ever had. New Am is the first and only citrus gin Ive ever tasted, and instantly became my favorite. Great gin for a non-connoisseur light on funds. New Amsterdam also won the Bloody Mary experiment. (6) These compounds are what give fruits and vegetables (and a few other foods) their antioxidant loads. London Dry is the best known (think Tanqueray or Bombay Sapphire) and is notable for its juniper-forward profile. https://theginisin.com/gin-reviews/denver-dry-gin/, https://theginisin.com/gin-reviews/halcyon-organic-distilled-gin/. The couple drawbacks of the product while not serious concerns for casual gin and juice fans are deal breakers for those who sip their gin neat or prepare it simply in things like a Martini. Perfect for any household, as you dont have to be an experienced gin enthusiast to enjoy this one. every 4-5 days was a bit much, so today I decided to buy New Amsterdam 1.75 liter @ $20, cant beat that, can you? Its a inexpensive gin that will have fans of classic style gins crying uncle. Fans of contemporary gins may find something to like here, but seasoned gin drinkers will likely have already found a gin of this style that does it with a little more grace and without the cloying sweet notes. Id like to dispel that notion first and foremost. Texas has eight species of juniper native to the state. You taste juniper in every sip with a non-alcoholic gin substitute and a juniper syrup. Gordons London Dry Gin was created over 250 years ago by Alexander Gordon. Some brands of gin use juniper flavoring added to neutral grain alcohol. A juniper berry is the female seed cone produced by the various species of junipers.It is not a true berry, but a cone with unusually fleshy and merged scales, which gives it a berry-like appearance. This is a gin for folks who dont like gin, plain and simple. Appellation. But where exactly does an up-scaled New Amsterdam fit? I wish I had read this blog before I splurged on a small bottle of New Amsterdam. Its fine in a G&T. THERE IS BARELY ANY JUNIPER! If your budget is limited to the tier of Gordons and Seagrams, New Amsterdam (or Burnetts) is worth a try. Just tried this product and it really doesnt taste like gin to me. when i go out and have a gin and tonic I ask if they have Amsterdam and if they say no i tell them they need to get it in their bars and restaurants. Some companies use artificial flavoring or other ingredients to give their gin a . refreshing on the rocks. He was a Beefeater fan. The origin of gin is a subject of debatesome believe that it was developed by 11th-century Benedictine monks in Italy, where it became popular for its medicinal benefits. Certain varieties of contain safe, low amounts of Thujone, while other varieties contain high levels and can make you very sick. Also a fan of Bluecoat and Pinckney Bend. The cones from a handful of species, especially Juniperus communis, are used as a spice, particularly in European cuisine, and also give gin its distinctive flavour. Keep it in the freezer. New Amsterdam Gins appeal is in large part because it is almost a flavored-vodka like gin. I must say that New Amsterdam was one of my least favorite. To date, the only examples of a gin using both dried and fresh orange peel at the same time in a gin is William Chase Elegant Crisp Gin and possibly V2C Dutch Dry Gin. It has been said that New Amsterdam Gin was flavored with essences rather than by distillation. Wish I knew how to get my money back. The flavor is primarily earthy and herbal, with strong ingredients namely cardamom and coriander giving the juniper some competition. All Rights Reserved. It sucks. This summer, I decided to try a variety of gins: Tanqueray no, because I knew I didnt like it in toonies, only with tonic; tried Hendricks often because its so smooth/mild; Bombay Sapphire good (but Im still disappointed because my toonies dont turn out blue thats only the bottle what a scam!). Perky citrus, a smidge of lemon oil, candied orange rinds, orange slice candy, and an interesting lime/orange shift right in the mids. A big fan of New Amsterdam No. But well see. These two things make gin a superior summertime or, you know, anytime beverage for allergy sufferers. Greg Kong, Head Bartender at New York City's Kimika, a Japanese-Italian fusion restaurant, is a huge fan and was quick to sing this gin's praises. Im fairly new to cocktails and just getting my feet wet. I brought home a bottle of New Amsterdam this evening and were in the process of our own experimentation. Many others. Thanks to its somewhat of a soft launch, there seems to be a fair amount of confusion already regarding Stratusphere Gin. Should have followed my instinct when I read modern American Gin. Thats not to say that I found the review overly un-fair. . Vivid bitter orange rind, with an unctuous, deep zestiness. At my stage in life I can afford to drink any gin I want to but I am also a scots man! Id find a reporter who uses correct grammar and spelling before making your gin choice. Extra star for price. Priced at an affordable point and curated with a citrus-forward perspective, it (especially at the time) was unlike anything else available. Great job guys. Id hope you wouldnt write off non-traditional gin on the basis of just this one. The common , Juniperus communis, is the variety most often used to make gin, medicines and food dishes, as it is considered safe for human consumption. And at that, the orange essence tastes synthetic.Thats the nose. The exact recipe of this gin is a secret and only 12 people know it, but we can pick up hints of fresh citruses and juniper. I love gin and drink from other distilleries regularly. This bottle boasts an ABV of 57%, which is a substantial jump from the 45%-ish ABV of normal gin. It puts in a brief cameo in Graveney Gin, and well, others. Bombay Sapphires recipe is based on 10 botanicals. I love gin, and i really enjoy New Amsterdam. Smells like it too. This New Zealand gin was released in America in the fall of 2021, and it's special in both appearance and flavor. But snobs are snobs, and it appears that they abound. Yes its cheap but its too citrus forward. Gin is different from other liquors because of the use of botanicals in the distillation process. Weve listed some of our favorites below. Gin-soaked raisins are especially good to prepare as you can store them in a jar and eat them daily to see the benefits. I went home and tried cucumber with a selection of Gins I had on hand and nothing compared to New Amsterdam. Has an ABV of 20-30%. As an emerging gin enthusiast, I bought a bottle because, frankly, buying Dorothy Parker or Miller or other favorites is not something I can sustain too regularly and still put my kids through college. It makes a great G&T; so smooth and refreshing. Region: California | ABV: 45 percent | Tasting Notes: Pine, Sage, Juniper. While gin must have a strong juniper flavor to it (and thus tends to involve juniper berries), distillers are free to add any other botanicals they like to achieve their target taste. Nuts & Spices. Theres a hint of ethanol during this mid-palate lull, which segues into a burst of citrus candy, lime/orange/lemon skittles primarily. It was interesting, but Ill stay with Gordons when I cant afford better and Tanqueray when I can. Will never get it again. Accessible and smooth, it has won people over and endures despite never being quite afforded the same esteem (by gin and cocktail experts at least) that enduring favorites like Bombay Sapphire, Beefeater, Tanqueray, or Gordons have. Sunsets are glorious and so is the New Amsterdam gin and tonic. Like most produce, juniper has an annual harvest season, so gin, produced all year long, overwhelmingly relies on dried juniper berriesexcept for Procera. Check out the price comparison below. Bombay Sapphire A premium gin that uses 10 botanicals to produce an elegant gin with layered, subtle flavors and aromas. Its a classic, old school London Dry gin. This was the gin that convinced me that I preferred traditional London style dry gin. Keep up the good work, New Amsterdam. . Gin is not for everyone, and Its pretty much like anything else in lifesome people prefer a Pilsner over an IPA, some people prefer Jazz over Rock, and some folks are early-to-bed, early-to-rise, while others stay up all night burning the flame til sun up. Not happy with change. If anything, I found it a bit lacking. 92. The Kenya-made spirit uses only African botanicals, including fresh berries from the area's native juniperus procera, which grows locally. If anyone can help me figure this out: Im a bartender and sommelier, and no other liquor or alcohol gives me an instant headache except for New Amsterdam Gin. Ben I completely understand. Their method is time consuming: pickers will place a basket or a tarp under a branch, whack it with a stick, and try to dislodge only the ripe, dark blue berries while leaving younger, green fruit alone. Juniper berries are responsible for the distinct flavor and aroma of gin. St. George Terroir Gin. EVERYTHING in this review is spot on (fake citrus included). The citrus dominates the palate, almost completely to the exclusion of any other notes. Its a late October morning in the Davis Mountains of West Texas, and Molly Cummings is atop a scaffold, foraging alligator juniper berries from a wild tree. Certain varieties of juniper berry contain safe, low amounts of Thujone, while other varieties contain high levels and can make you very sick. Gin Essential Info. Moreso than citrus-forward distilled gins such as Larios 12,Bluecoat, Pinckney Bend, Black Buttons Citrus Forward Gin, Chases Orange Flavored Gin, Seersucker Gin, etc. It is so soft aluminum that once opened the cap is finished. Genever is a clear, botanically rich, malted grain-based spirit that can only be made in Holland or Belgium. Ive always liked gin, and tangueray was my go to. If you want a gin with an especially pronounced citrus note, try Tanqueray Malacca. These six individually-distilled botanicals are then blended to create a bold, distinct flavor that deserves to be sipped on its own at least once before mixing in cocktails. One hopes that this was only due to the either the plastic bottle or its top that I tried; however, sipped neat it kind of took away the orange finish. Awful. With roots in the Netherlands and the UK, the fragrant spirit is now produced around the world from Africa to Asia as well as in the United States. Well, spending $30 $40 for 750 ml. We dont penalize spirits for having a different take on gin. I may go back to Seagrams next for my cheap summer G&Ts, which used to be my go-to before I started becoming a gin snob. Cummings, a University of Texas biology professor, founded Austin-based WildGins Co. in 2019. The tree is native to North America, Europe, northern Asia, and Japan. That being said, New Amsterdam Stratusphere Gin doesnt lend itself as well in a Dry Martini orGin and Tonic with unflavored tonic. Experimentation is the key and failure is not so bad when you drink your mistakes (I was a chemistry major in college and you could not drink your failures but as I type this the Purple Jesus does come to mind). I normal dont have any issue with this brand. I am allergic to natural and artificial flavors, and since I react to this gin, I can definitely confirm that the flavors are not from pure botanicals. If you had worked harder at school you would not have even tried it, obviously I tried it because I left school at 14 I now wish I had turned up as this has made me see the error of my ways! Another reader made this suggestion: "A 'bottom shelf' gin containing juniper berries is Gordon's London Dry Gin - about $9-10 bucks for 750 ml here in the Pacific NW. Sh*t, now I see why. Here, ILoveGin explores the world of berry gins, including popular types, the mixers that work . Only minimal sugar, water, or neutral grain spirits may be added after distillation. I agree with the Wine Enthusiast rating of 93. [emailprotected]. Skip it. New Amsterdam Gin is crafted with botanicals, citrus & a nod to juniper. Whereas New Amsterdam Modern begins with cloying sweet, almost artificial orange Stratusphere Gin leads with orange, but a slightly different take. Makes the perfect martini with just a rinse of Noilly Prat. Our Story Our Gins Cocktails Promotions Where To Buy; A Next Level Collaboration Meet the partners changing the game of golf. Gin is required to have an infusion of juniper berries in the final product. New Amsterdam renewed my love of the gin martini. Escubac It does work somewhat better in aDirty Martinior aGin and Flavored Tonic. From: Encyclopedia of Food Sciences and Nutrition (Second . Does All Gin Contain Juniper Berry? For a little spark put a small sliver of red onion in the infuser (believe me start very small, it will take over quickly if too large). ByPam LeBlanc in40 Acres, onMarch 1, 2019 at 9:00 am |. The finish is short to moderate in length, with mostly citrus. But some brandsespecially those founded in the past decadehave been putting juniper on the back burner. Is it decent, at $20 for 1.75? Unduly harsh reviews for a fairly smooth drink. Experience our flavorful gin straight or as the centerpiece of a martini. With your first sip, youre immediately greeted by a zesty fresh flavor of citruses. I found it patently uninteresting. Or for something classically inspired, but very American in execution, try St. Georges Terroir. I like New Amsterdam and I suspect if it were three times the price the gin snobs would be raving. The conservation charity Plantlife UK works to save Englands junipers, appealing to the British fondness for gin and tonics as a way to encourage conservation and habitat restoration. I know some people talk about American Gin as if it were a category- its a region, rather than a style. Juniper. What did you do. Masterfully distilled with an expert blend of botanicals, New Amsterdam Stratusphere Gin delivers a crisp, clean taste and exceptional smoothness that soars beyond expectations. It has a very noticeable lime without obscurring any of the other botanicals. Gin is an alcoholic beverage obtained by distillation from a base of grain (wheat or barley). Loved it and that became a regular event at 5pm on the porch. . Juniperus squamata 'Floreant'. All juniper berries contain the powerful oil Thujone. Does not have juniper as its main flavour. With 22 juniper berries being used in every bottle, it is safe to say that Beefeater London Dry Gin has the most juniper of all brands. Stirred with the knife blade used to cut the lime. The inspiration is in the name, as the gin sources botanicals that reflect Southern Californias diverse agricultural offerings. Lets recap what this means: London Dry refers to a process designation whereby a base spirit is distilled up to 96% ABV before undergoing a second distillation with botanicals. On its own, it doesnt stack up to Tanqueray or Bombay Sapphire (sometimes I buy Burnetts, my budget favorite), but there is nothing offensive about it. What did I pay for New Amsterdam, like $12? Glad I decided to give this gin a try, but wont be going back to grab another bottle. Gin allows me to go on a foraging adventure in the mountains, but I also find it the most botanically interesting spirit. Historically I would agree with @Ben D but Im willing to give New Amsterdam a stab. My friends and I all agree that New Amsterdam is by far the best. Tanqueray One of the biggest brands, and one with a secret recipe. Is it Tangueray? I did a homemade gin tasting a couple years ago and New Am was in the mix. This version much better but its not good enough if there are other options at the price point. I started reading the reviews & thought I made a bad choice. Gallo rocks in both the wine and spirits world!!! Ill admit, Im being lazy and cheap by buying this stuff. London Dry gin is made with a variety of botanical ingredients, including juniper, orange peel, lemon peel, Russian coriander, lily root, licorice root, angelica root and cinnamon bark. Plymouths Navy Strength is one of the best because it actually wrangles this high alcohol content with a balanced and surprisingly smooth taste. For . I can respect that appreciation too. Best gin I ever tasted I love juniper smell as much as Christmas and I really enjoy the flavorful abundance of the juniper berries in new Amsterdam gin and it goes down smooth I lemon and lime fresh squeezed ice cold or just shooting a shot just the right amount of alcohol for a borderline alcoholic. I am new to New Amsterdam Gin. Its used for its medicinal purposes as an essential oil, made by steam distillation of the crushed, dried, or fermented berries. And the flavour of juniper comes from juniper berries. The best way to think of junipers is as an herbaceous spice rather than a fruit or vegetable: they have a bright, pine-like flavor. For a stronger juniper flavor, infuse the juniper berries overnight, then add the rest of the ingredients and infuse for another 24 hours. Since it already tasted like orange bitters, thats what I mixed it with. Im drinking a lovely New Amsterdam martini right now, with a twist of lemon, stirred, and it pleases me. -Juniper berries are extremely small it takes about 16 pounds of them to make one gallon of gin. Pretty much everything I pointed out about it neat can be fixed in a cocktail. Its all sugar. Tried it once and never again. I am a convert now permanently to lower congener spirits. He calls it a flavored vodka, and complains about the vanilla notes. Ultimately, those berries added a Texas twang to gin made at District Distilling Co., a distillery based in Washington, D.C., that Cummings and her siblings have owned since 2012. Btw. Overall, its an exciting, complex gin that every connoisseur needs to try. Especially with a touch of olive brine added. The orange is strong and comes through in more difficult mixing applications like theNegroni orGin and Juice. No, no I dont like it. Tanqueray No. Stratusphere London Dry Gin. For these situations, nothing beats a classic London Dry, juniper-forward gin. Its nothing special, but if Im on a budget its kind of a go to. It lacks any body and had vanilla notes. I always bought Tangueray from Costco and now they dont carry it any longer and was told by an employee to try the new popular gin New Amsterdam, I bought a bottle and.its definitely is not for making a martini. Its not that all alcohol worsens asthma or allergies. Add the vegetable glycerine, juniper berries, and 150ml of water into the blender. Or as the above poster said, theres also Dorothy Parker (as the above poster said), I absolutely love it. THATS THE POINT! These include traditional gin botanicals such as juniper berries, citrus, angelica and orris root. It was completely obscured, and didnt add anything to the cocktail. If you like gin and are on a budget, buy Gordons. Its aroma is citrus-forward but not to the exclusion of other touches. But juniper is the star of the show. Pulse for 10-20 seconds-just enough to crack the berries open. Price. The People's Pharmacy recommends Gordon's London Dry gin as one of the least expensive brands made with real . They come, raving about, and asking for the G&T that Carl makes. New Amsterdam Gin is a distilled spirit made from grain, and therefore does contain gluten. Which Gin Is Made With Real Juniper Berries? If you dont like it, dont drink it. This gin is known to be one of the more prominent flavors when you take your first sip of it. might as well be flavored vodka. Yes there are worse gins available but why bother adding to a pile of crap if you dont have to? Gordons Gin The recipe for Gordons gin contains juniper berries, coriander seeds, angelica root, and one other botanical. Last summer, Molly Cummings stood atop a ladder at the broad waist of a juniper tree in Texas Davis Mountains, filling her apron with plump berries collected from its branches. According to the manufacturer, Gordons gin is triple-distilled and contains , coriander seeds, angelica root, licorice, orris root, orange, and lemon peel, though the exact recipe has remained a closely guarded secret since 1769. A pollen allergy, aka seasonal allergies or hay fever, is among the most common. Her days haulbetween two and 10 poundsshould be enough to produce one batch of her WildBark West Texas Dry Gin. It is great fun to read. Our fresh twist on the juniper-forward styles of traditional dry gin, New Amsterdam Stratusphere London Dry Gin brings a perfect balance of juniper and citrus, rounded out with a smooth finish. Light lemon, candied orange, herbaceous juniper hovers at the fringes, with even a slight note of angelica in the lower notes. You want gin distilled with real juniper berries. Bitter orange early with some sweet, spice facets as well. Im not expecting Juniper, so well see what happens. All gins contain juniper. Like 'Blue Star', it appreciates a little more water than other junipers. Rather it tastes like a vodka that has been artificially flavored with orange essence. Credit: Washingtonian. Too many others are like drinking Pine-Sol. Youll save a couple bucks vs. a pricy named gin and might be pleasantly surprised. 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