Same voice. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually knowabout Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask <<<<<<<<<<<<. It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing. >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. >>>>>>>>If this were really thecase, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to themasked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. > But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure > of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. and> pleading with her to take off her mask? I am normally the last guy in the> world to criticize somebody for using big words. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Eyes Wide Shut cast Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman as a married couple, with the former playing a doctor who goes on a strange, sexually charged journey one night when his wife admits to having had adulterous thoughts. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. --alt.flame Special Forces"All successful software gets changed." When Bill goes to the hospital, he asks to see patient Amanda Curren (sp), the name he saw in the newspaper. And Milich was expecting him. Yes, the three scenes - at Ziegler's party, at the Somerton ritualthe following night, and at the hospital morgue the next day - thatfeature Mandy/the 'masked woman' - remain ambiguous to the end. And wouldn't he really feel more at home in amore errrrrrrrr Gnostic setting? >>In a big crowd of masked people, Zeigler (his eyes give away who he is)>, > So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figure> on the basis of his eyes?<<<<<<<<<<<<, > This is simple. He obtains the secret password to a clandestine masked ball, where he has a seductive encounter with a beautiful stranger. It's just idiotic. Poor pitiful morons that we all are -thank Bog he's put off Nirvana for so long. When Bill asks what, she simply responds, "Fuck." Eyes Wide Shut developed after Stanley Kubrick read Arthur Schnitzler's Dream Story in 1968, when Kubrick was looking for a project to follow 2001: A Space Odyssey. Kubrick was interested in adapting the story, and with the help of journalist Jay Cocks, bought the filming rights to the novel. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. NG was :>the realization of that potential. It iscertainly distinctly possible that the woman at the party is otherthan the woman at the Somerton ritual, though the former does appearto be the Mandy that ends up in the morgue (she never made it to'rehab', as Dr Bill had suggested but never bothered following up,just later shunted home by Ziegler's heavies); remember, we only haveZiegler's explanation/confirmation that they are the same 'Mandy',hardly a reliable witness given his contradictory assertionsthroughout the film. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Ziegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectively> interpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlier> events of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeply> suspect account? This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. Nevertheless, those two recollections(one of a fantasy, one of a dream) constitute the very desire whoseexclusion (from the quotidian, commonsensical, 'social reality' of theHarfords' marriage) the film is exploring. He was a master ofthatslight of hand stuff. The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. Put on some headphones and listen. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. or psychotherapists. I actually had to look that up. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. The twenty-something woman confirmed she and her partner Leonard are polyamorous. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" The point, however, is that even if all three female> 'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the same> character), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not to> mention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world."<<<<<<<<<<>. Somerton could hardly be > >>>>>> described (and. >What else could he call it? I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. 2. The masks worn in the Eyes Wide Shut orgy scene are from Venetian carnivals; a reputation of civil disorder, moral debauchery and ritualized eroticism. The Daily Planet may go under too. When Bill thinks hes just about to score his own sexual liaison, his charade is exposed. And how does Bill know that a cape and a mask was appropriate attire? Was she the women at the party?" >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? WebEyes Wide Shut. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. 1. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. But what he was getting at was whether it was > murder and a sacrifice for him, which makes him feel responsible, since it > would not have happened had he not been there. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing this," Mandy says, "Ya." Is that how youwould describe it? The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. Somerton could hardly be> >>>>>> described (and>> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare clear and she has a very distinctive voice. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. WebIn Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy: Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. Bill is still even denying he knows what Zeigler is talking about till Zeigler says "I was there at the house. Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. Deleuze probably realized how stupid he was before he jumped out that window. ">> "I saw her body in the morgue. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. The official cause of death was from a heart attack. Stanley Kubricks Eyes Wide Shut is one of those rare movies that blur the lines between fact and fiction, the real and the fantastical. He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. Is that how youwould describe it? Desire is always Other. at the > ceremony/orgy. >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Billhas been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-vis Mandy and the masked woman. Those critics of EWS must have been delerious. Is that how > you> would describe it? it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." >He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is >somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. Somerton could hardly be described (andcertainly not by Bill) as a 'party.' WebEyes Wide Shut Mask Woman - Etsy Browse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a It is odd that Bill would remember his patient he hadn't seen in at least a year, owned "Rainbow Fashions?" So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. Here was Stanley Kubrick, for many the worlds greatest living filmmaker, returning with his first finished project in 12 years a sexually provocative adult drama, utterly shrouded in secrecy, starring pre-eminent Hollywood power couple Tom I am normally the last guy in the, > world to criticize somebody for using big words. The movie went through post-production following Stanley Kubrick's death, though some have argued about how much it represents his intended vision. He wasn't positive. He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. And coming from the newsgroup'sresident acid-headed, solipsistic zombie. > If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade. 0. > Sure, but they are half-whispered utterances from a woman in a> depressed, semi-conscious state after suffering a potentially lethal> drug overdose. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? >>What else could he call it? He then breaks down crying and confesses to Alice his misadventures of the past few days. The 'mystery' is how SHE knows that he is an interloper. > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. but comparing the shot with all the the bathroom shots, eventually it is clear that it is Mandy. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. And even if it was clear, even if he hadreferred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)party, it would still be uncertain, because. ", and for those whom may have something like an actual interest in, > In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <. And of course how did > the mask get on his pillow? Let's get out of here.You're my witness. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. Padraig has been writing about film online since 2012, when a friend asked if he'd like to contribute the occasional review or feature to their site. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" The movie is based on the 1920's novella Dream Storyand Kubrick developed the project for decades, and once considered a slightly more comedic take with Steve Martin in the lead role. If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. 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